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Old 03-12-2007   #1
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"Super Rare 1 of 600"/Production #s

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I already emailed the ad owner, asking for a documentation source of the "1 of 600", because I couldn't even find a M5 production #, unless you take the 88,612 total proction #, and subtract the 27,007 700R4s, giving you 61,605 M5s produced in 87. But I couldn't find anything specififc on GTAs with M5s or 70R4s.

BTW, the original reason I was going to post...The production #s between here and TGO don't match up.

GTA Source Page-9,481 Y84s made
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TGO-11,102 GTAs
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I'll trust Frankie's # before I trust TGO!
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Old 03-12-2007   #2
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Re: "Super Rare 1 of 600"/Production #s

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I already emailed the ad owner, asking for a documentation source of the "1 of 600", because I couldn't even find a M5 production #, unless you take the 88,612 total proction #, and subtract the 27,007 700R4s, giving you 61,605 M5s produced in 87. But I couldn't find anything specififc on GTAs with M5s or 70R4s.

BTW, the original reason I was going to post...The production #s between here and TGO don't match up.

GTA Source Page-9,481 Y84s made
GTA Source Page
TGO-11,102 GTAs
TGO

I'll trust Frankie's # before I trust TGO!
I wondered where he got his information from and how accurate it was. It will be interesting to see what the owner has to say....
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Old 03-12-2007   #3
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Re: "Super Rare 1 of 600"/Production #s

Interesting...

I'd also trust Frankie's information first.
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Re: "Super Rare 1 of 600"/Production #s

3 things I noticed. 1st its been it in the frt at the frt cover you can see the cracks. And since its a that plastic bumper cover you dont know what the dmg is. 2nd( in which it happens to them all) the rear sproiler is cracking. 3rd. If you look at the plastic shield covering the speedo it has alot of (what appears to be) water spots. Now that doesnt necessary mean a bad thing, but it could be a worst nightmare. It could be a flood car.
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Old 03-12-2007   #5
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Re: "Super Rare 1 of 600"/Production #s

Well, we may never ever know where the seller came up with the "600" number. It sounds good though to say 1 of 600 so perhaps this is why that number was picked. I recall something about 600 of those 1989 turbo pace cars were made which perhaps this is what this seller heard also and just passed it on to his car because it sounded good. You really never know where these people come up with stuff. Some see that number plate in the radiator support on the passenger side and go by that saying that the first digit which is underlined is the number of that specific car and the following numbers are the total amount produced. I recall a few years ago a seller saying that and pointing to that as his source of information.

As for authenticity, your guess is as good as mine about this car. Some GTA stuff is there and some of it is missing. The rear split seats I have read were just an option and that some GTAs did not have that option. Now this car does not have the power antenna which I thought that all GTAs came with that as standard equipment. The rims do not look gold but maybe they are just dirty or photographed in bad lighting, as the same with the Pontiac emblem in the drivers side headlight cover. It has emblems and they are close to the approximate locations on the car. It has a GTA map pocket and horn button, but the horn button does look like it is a second generation bird emblem, but photograph is not good so it is hard to tell for sure. The front seats, well, perhaps one of the many previous owners got rid of the torn up original GTA seats and got ones that were not torn, which were not GTA seats.

So the moral of this post is, regardless of what GTA items are on the car, only the true documentation is that option code in the RPO sticker. If I ever purchase another GTA, that is the only thing I will look at in regards to documentation. And to think I came so close to throwing away my RPO sticker when I replaced my entire GTA center console. I did throw it away and it was in the trash over night out in front of the house because the next morning was garbage day. But as I sat in my GTA letting it warm up before I started my drive to work, I just stared at my original console sticking out of the trash can in the dark under the street light, I felt so sad, like saying goodby to one of my old friends. This was a piece of my car that I love so much and it looked so pathetic sticking out of the garbage can. So I got out of my car, walk over to it and touched it while a few of my fond memories I had of my GTA played in my mind. A few moments passed and before I went back to my GTA, I just opened up the console to look once more to make sure I did not leave anything inside and that was when I saw the sticker and I remember the GM Dealership explain to me that those numbers and letters are codes for almost all parts that my car has, which they look at when determining the correct replacement parts. At that moment I decided to take out that sticker. That was in 1994 or 1995, can not remember exactly. Today I am so glad that I did, because without that, there is really no way to determine or prove that this car is a real GTA. And 1987 GTAs I think may be the hardest to determine authentic and some of that has to do with how GM combined the production numbers of the GTAs with the rest of the models, as I have been lead to believe.

Wow, sorry that I had to write all this, I sort of got lost in the moment. That is what happens when I see and talk about GTAs regardless of whose they belong to. Yumiko
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Old 03-12-2007   #6
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Re: "Super Rare 1 of 600"/Production #s

Yeah...Thing is, since 87 was the first year for the GTA, and it was not a seperate model, just an option, it's *almost* like saying, there is not such thing as a "1987 Trans Am GTA". I suppose technically, that's kinda true, in that the GTA was really just an option, not a model line, if any of that makes sense.

My 87 doesn't have a power antenna either, but my 89 does. One of these days, the power antenna will make it onto my 87.

Coulda sworn the split rear seat was part of the standard GTA package though, from day 1. My 87 has it, although the rear seats are in my closet now! He hasn't responded to me, but I'm not surprised. Even if it is fake, he already has bidders, so what does he care?
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Re: "Super Rare 1 of 600"/Production #s

Well, to his credit, he respnded. I expected NO reply at all.

"I was told that 600 was the nuber of 5 speed 5.0 GTAs made. Thanks, Leo"

Not any real info though...
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Old 03-13-2007   #8
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Re: "Super Rare 1 of 600"/Production #s

Also the seats have been changed out to standard Trans Am seats, and the hatch motor looks to be shot as well....it gets fishier and fishier
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Re: "Super Rare 1 of 600"/Production #s

My seats are long gone (4th gens now) and my hatch motor is shot. But mine is still a Y84. The seats and the hatch motor can't change that.
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Re: "Super Rare 1 of 600"/Production #s

For the price he's wanting for the car, it better have the GTA seats and the hatch motor working. I would take the 4th gen LT1 seats or 4th gen LS1 seats as a replacement, but if they're the Camaro ones, forget it.
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Re: "Super Rare 1 of 600"/Production #s

If I was to upgrade to GenIV Firebird seats it would just be the front ones. I like the split folding rear seat over the single on the standard Firebirds/Trans AMs. It also just goes to show that some people don't do any research into what kind of car they have. I know somewhat how rare my car is based on the number produced with the exterior color Gunmetal Metallic. The other number crunching I did is just speculation and a best guess based on percentages. How accurate they are...who knows, but it sure sounds cool.
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Old 04-02-2007   #12
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Re: "Super Rare 1 of 600"/Production #s

1 of 930, based on color alone, is nothing to scoff at!

The power antenna didn't exist until 89, so its no surprise my 87 doesn't have one. I'll either pull it off the 89, and use it, or sell it. I'm thinking of shaving mine completely, and just selling the power antenna.

Even though I only needed a couple of parts, the whole car was too good of a price to pass up! No SPID sticker though, so, short of PHS documentation, I can't PROVE it is a real GTA now, not just a GTA-clone TA, even though I know it is a real GTA. The guy I bought it from ripped out all the interior, so no more sticker now.
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The power antenna didn't exist until 89, so its no surprise my 87 doesn't have one.
Power antenna was available on the '88 GTAs and TAs.
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Old 04-02-2007   #14
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Re: "Super Rare 1 of 600"/Production #s

My bad...
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Re: "Super Rare 1 of 600"/Production #s

My GTA has the power antenna and it is a 1987. Was it true that all GTAs came standard with the power antenna? Yumiko
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Re: "Super Rare 1 of 600"/Production #s

I thought the power antennas were part of the GTA package standard, but everything I've found suggests otherwise. I know according to RPO codes, a power antenna isn't listed for 87. And I don't have any SPID codes unidentified, on my 87.
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Re: "Super Rare 1 of 600"/Production #s

U75 is the code for power antenna. The sticker in my center console also has U75 listed. Yumiko
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Re: "Super Rare 1 of 600"/Production #s

Yeah...U75 isn't on mine, and isn't listed on the RPO code page. Maybe through things like this, Frankie can update the RPO pages, as things are found, like 87 having U75.
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Re: "Super Rare 1 of 600"/Production #s

I checked Carfax and also used my personal decoder....

This vehicle may not be a GTA:

We found 22 record(s) for this vehicle
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VIN: 1G2FW21F6HN228434
Year: 1987
Make: Pontiac
Year/Make/Model: 1987 PONTIAC FIREBIRD TRANS AM
Style/Body: Coupe 2D
Engine: 5.0L V8 MPI
Country of Assembly: United States


My vehicle, as well a true GTA always shows as follows:

Year/Make/Model: 1991 PONTIAC FIREBIRD TRANS AM/GTA
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Re: "Super Rare 1 of 600"/Production #s

Well, I just have seen something completely interesting. I have believed that it was standard on all GTAs. But there may be a possibility that they were not standard, or at least not standard after a certain year. To explain, my GTA has the power antenna (U75) and that is documented on my GTAs RPO sticker.

Now for fun I just looked at an RPO sticker that I got from a car at the wrecking yard a few years ago. It was rare that it would be on a car in the wrecking yard. So when I saw it, I took it off and kept it. I am unsure if this GTA was a 1988, 1989, or 1990. However, the GTA option is on the sheet but the U75 is not on there. Unless the option code for the power antenna had changed after 1987, that would be the only other possibility besides the power antenna not being a standard option after a specific year of GTA production. Yumiko
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