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Old 08-23-2005   #1
Fred91GTA
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Almost finished!!!

Ok guys, well, I promise I'll have pics up soon, but I figured I'd ask you guys what you thought about my GTA's new setup. I really need a digicam. But well, I think you guys can see why i can't shell out $300 for a decent one... haha. I was going to sell the GTA for a TTA, but well, it's my first car, and I can't seem to let it go, so I'll just keep waiting until I can afford two Firebirds... lol. Hey, it's possible with my new job anyway.

Here's the new setup.

Stock L98 short block
AFR 195cc heads milled down to 58cc. Thin head gaskets
9.8:1 compression
Comp Cams XR276HR-12 cam 226/236 @.050, .560 lift
1.6:1 roller rockers
SLP Tri-Y headers, Jet hot coated
SLP catback exhaust
Walbro 255lb/hr fuel pump
Ford SVO 24lb injectors
Holley AFPR
SLP Cold Air induction kit
Holley 52mm Throttle Body
SLP T-RAM intake manifold
PI Vigilante 2600 RPM stall converter

What do you guys think she'll put out?

What's sad is, a TTA with only about $1500 in mods will still blow my car away... hahaha. The heads alone cost me $1700!!!
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Old 08-23-2005   #2
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Re: Almost finished!!!

That should get you well into the 13's for sure... maybe 12's?? hmmmmm... either way, it'll be fun to drive. I didn't know they still sold the T-Ram setup from the Firehawks?!? How'd ya get that??
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Old 08-23-2005   #3
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Re: Almost finished!!!

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I didn't know they still sold the T-Ram setup from the Firehawks?!? How'd ya get that??
Well, they don't. I got lucky two years ago and while I was on a trip to California, I went with a family member to a garage sale. A Corvette was for sale in the garage, and I literally ran into the T-RAM which was sitting on the floor. After talking to the owner of the Vette, he agreed to sell the T-RAM to me.

Honestly, it's not all as good as it seems. I had to make my own gaskets, and fabricate my own fuel lines. Now, I also need to get the cruise control/auto tranny bracket fabricated to the car. I have the auto tranny kickdown cable secured on there with a freakin zip tie... hahaha.

And yeah, the final thing I need to do is tuning... that's what's killing me the most right now. At this point, I would trade my 2004 Civic for the Firehawk PROM calibration.
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Old 08-23-2005   #4
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Re: Almost finished!!!

you can find the t-rams on the net for sale once in awhile, that's a 12 second car with the right tuning.
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Old 08-25-2005   #5
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Re: Almost finished!!!

You know, all I would really need now is a Dana 44 axle for a thirdgen, and a ZF 6-speed setup, and I can easily have myself a Firehawk GTA...

The really stupid thing is, the rear, tranny bellhousing and center console specific to thirdgens for the ZF 6-speed are even rarer than the damn T-RAMs!!!
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Old 08-25-2005   #6
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Re: Almost finished!!!

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You know, all I would really need now is a Dana 44 axle for a thirdgen, and a ZF 6-speed setup, and I can easily have myself a Firehawk GTA...

The really stupid thing is, the rear, tranny bellhousing and center console specific to thirdgens for the ZF 6-speed are even rarer than the damn T-RAMs!!!
NOt really, you can contact www.lakewood-industries.com and they can help. The tel# is 216-688-8300, they are part ofthe Mr Gasket Corp.. Listen for the promps and there are alot and then you can talk to a tech guy about one.Hope this helps
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Old 08-25-2005   #7
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Re: Almost finished!!!

Hey thanks Cliff. At least that potentially takes care of the bellhousing. Now, all I need to overcome is the torque arm relocation, custom crossmember, custom center console that relocates the shifter hole to the left a bit, and new trans tunnel since the ZF is twice as large as a standard T56. I'd also need a new driveshaft.

Not to mention that I may still have to use a Corvette's dual mass flywheel and clutch assembly with the Lakewood bellhousing.

I'm guessing it'll cost me damn near $4000 to get a setup like that going. I'd love to get my hands on the conversion kit that SLP sold awhile back. It had the bellhousing, console, crossmember, and cover for the trans tunne since half of the tranny literally sits inside of the car.

Actually, this may seem a bit sick to you guys, but if I were rich, I would just buy myself a Firehawk for the parts. I'd rip it apart, and the engine, tranny, rear, brakes, and just about everything else would go into my GTA.

Then I'm sure some jackass out there would buy the Firehawk shell JUST BECAUSE it's a Firehawk.
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Old 08-25-2005   #8
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Re: Almost finished!!!

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Hey thanks Cliff. At least that potentially takes care of the bellhousing. Now, all I need to overcome is the torque arm relocation, custom crossmember, custom center console that relocates the shifter hole to the left a bit, and new trans tunnel since the ZF is twice as large as a standard T56. I'd also need a new driveshaft.

Not to mention that I may still have to use a Corvette's dual mass flywheel and clutch assembly with the Lakewood bellhousing.

I'm guessing it'll cost me damn near $4000 to get a setup like that going. I'd love to get my hands on the conversion kit that SLP sold awhile back. It had the bellhousing, console, crossmember, and cover for the trans tunne since half of the tranny literally sits inside of the car.

Actually, this may seem a bit sick to you guys, but if I were rich, I would just buy myself a Firehawk for the parts. I'd rip it apart, and the engine, tranny, rear, brakes, and just about everything else would go into my GTA.

Then I'm sure some jackass out there would buy the Firehawk shell JUST BECAUSE it's a Firehawk.
WOW!!! I know they are using some kind of conversion for LS1 w/ sixspeed conversions but I dont know if it would work, but its a thought.
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Best mph: 98.3
Best 60' : 1.875 on BFG Comp TA's w/ 32 lbs of air in them
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Old 08-25-2005   #9
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Re: Almost finished!!!

I'm going to go whimper in the corner now....
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Old 08-25-2005   #10
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Re: Almost finished!!!

if you custom made enough stuff i'm sure you could get it to work
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Old 08-25-2005   #11
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Re: Almost finished!!!

Yeah, the more I think about it, the less I want to do it. Besides, I live in New York City. I think my Auto will be a lot more handy than a manual.

Besides, with my shift kit, I can shift through the gears manually anyway.

However, if I do ever hit the lottery, there's only gonna be 24 Firehawks left out there...
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Old 08-26-2005   #12
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Re: Almost finished!!!

there probably aren't even 24 left now
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Old 08-30-2005   #13
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Re: Almost finished!!!

Yeah, I think one burned down and another one, (the only blue one ever made) was involved in a wreck, but was rebuilt.
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Old 09-03-2005   #14
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Re: Almost finished!!!

Fred, good to hear your project is coming along well! Don't worry about tuning, once you get into it it's quite fun and your own custom tune will serve you much better than a Firehawk bin anyway. Besides, do you have a 6-spd? The Firehawk bin is for a manual anyway.

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Old 09-04-2005   #15
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Re: Almost finished!!!

that sounds like a stout set-up you got there. what have you got for a suspension? thats going to be a torquey motor.
does anybody have flow rates for a t-ram intake?
i wonder how they rank up against a super ram ,miniram, or stealth ram?
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Old 09-05-2005   #16
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Re: Almost finished!!!

Hey Alex, good to see ya. Hope things are going alright.

The T-RAM was supposed to edge out the Super Ram intake but not by much. The low end torque should be more. The inverted/internal runners are a lot longer than the Super Ram's. I've done some tuning, and the butt dyno tells me I have as much torque as my old TPI setup, so I'm happy with at least that. This thing pulls hard all the way up to 6500 RPMs, but I have a tuning issue at the higher RPMs so we'll see.

I actually just got it more for the coolness factor. I'm pretty sure the Super Ram, Miniram and the Stealth Ram outperform it in certain areas. Simplicity and parts availability being 2 of them. I had to make my own gaskets, and I don't have the auto tranny/cruise control bracket, so my tranny cable is secured by a zip tie to the gas cable. Looks like yet another thing to fab up.
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Old 09-05-2005   #17
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Re: Almost finished!!!

the t-ram made good power inthe firehawks with an emissions cam and mild comp. with junk heads, i would like to know what your combo dyno's at
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Old 09-15-2005   #18
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Re: Almost finished!!!

Hey guys, I finally uploaded some pics of the T-RAM. They are the before pics. A friend of mine had some pics in his digicam from the day I got it. This is before it was polished. I'll get pics of it polished up soon. You can see how sad of a shape the T-RAM was in when I got it. They're on page 6 of my page. I also got some pics of my car on there from before I took her off the road to start my work.

http://www.cardomain.com/id/spectre91gta
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