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Old 08-27-2009   #21
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Re: 1988 Trans AM GTA, L98 Hardtop

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Uuummm, that *bro* or *man* as in the first quote is a woman ,lol.

..........just thought you might wanna know........
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Old 08-27-2009   #22
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I bought the car without the title. Apparently it was sold by the last registered owner in an un-wrecked condition. The new owner wrecked it before transferring the title...and then never transferred it. He sold it and did not provide the title with the sale, since he hadn't bothered transferring. It changed hands several times without a title...then *I* got it. Amazingly, none of the interim owners took anything off the car...including the license plate. So I went to publicdata.com and registered (cost me $10) and ran a license plate search and got a hold of the last registered owner. He remembered the car well and was very friendly and is going to get me a duplicate title (which will be clean) and send it to me.

To the other folks complaining about all the work associated with swapping a body....maybe its work to you, but *I* enjoy doing this sort of thing. I have a large well-equipped private shop and plenty of time. I have done this sort of thing with many cars in the past....several of them 3rd gen f-bodies. And to answer the other questions...."Will it really still be a GTA?" YES, when I get done with it (IF I choose to go this route), there will be no evidence to the contrary. Swapping the main body shell is no different than swapping a fender...its just a larger piece of sheetmetal. Man some of you guys are some real whiners....sheesh. lol.
Hmmmm no, but I will say that we are far more purist than most other fans of other cars. I would be no different than if you built a Mustang GT500 clone( in which yes there are some out there). The purist and the experts can tell, not sure how, but they can. Furthermore, you posted it on here, so naturally you are going to get feed back when you start talking swappin bodies that is just the way it is on here. I am not speaking for everyone here, but if you look in the for sale section here; there are plenty of clones posted on ebay, so that is why people(including myself), dont get excited about the swap, so with that being said, I do not agree that we are whiners. hth
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Old 08-27-2009   #23
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Re: 1988 Trans AM GTA, L98 Hardtop

Some information about crimes associated with switching vin numbers:

http://www.vinguard.org/ncpb.htm

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Re: 1988 Trans AM GTA, L98 Hardtop

This car is no longer available for sale. Mods please delete the thread, thanks.
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Old 08-27-2009   #25
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...........lol...........
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Geez...what a turd.
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Re: 1988 Trans AM GTA, L98 Hardtop

To me it is really scary when someone talks about changing the vin numbers from a smashed GTA to a different body and calling it a GTA. He said that he has done that many times before because he owns his own shop. I bet the DMV would love to know this persons name and address.

I think what bothered me the most was the comment that this is a free country, meaning that they have a right to switch vins on cars. To me, that statement said they hide behind American freedom and do illigal activity. I do not only think about myself, I think about others too. I would hate to hear of someone buying a GTA from that guy and then they find out that the shell was from a 1984 Firebird. I just find this very deceptive, total lack of moral fiber. Sad.....

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good lord, you people must all be democrats. ----ing bunch of sissies. Have fun with your sissy site. I'm done posting here.
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good lord, you people must all be democrats. ----ing bunch of sissies. Have fun with your sissy site. I'm done posting here.
Your guessed it......... I'm fixin to order some Pelosi for Pres stickers now......
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Best mph: 98.3
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At the same time?

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Re: 1988 Trans AM GTA, L98 Hardtop

Am I the only here that has bought a smashed GTA and fixed it? I didn't replace the body because I could use a frame machine and straighten it. If I did not have access to this machine it would have been easier to swap to another body.

I don't understand why you guys are getting all upset. He is trying to save one of our beloved GTA's and all you can do is give him a hard time. Not every car has to be a low mileage original that is never driven and never been worked on!! Cliff, I know you drive and enjoy your car! Can We stop putting down other peoples cars?
I love them all and if it was closer I would buy it. I am done ranting.
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Re: 1988 Trans AM GTA, L98 Hardtop

If this person was really trying to save a GTA, would they have straighten the body of this car and not be switching the vin onto a different car? The only thing this person is trying to save is the vin that belongs to a GTA, and then sell it for the price that a GTA would sell for. Let me ask....who would be happy to find out that the GTA that they thought was real and that they paid a GTA price for, turned out to be a 1985 Firebird with a 1988 vin put on it and some of the GTA stuff like rims, emblems and seats? Because I know that this is what that person is doing. I do not believe for a moment that this person would completely strip a different car and then put all the stuff from this wrecked GTA onto it. That would be completely impractical. It would be much more easier and faster for this person to just change the vin and some of the GTA stuff like the seats, rims and emblems. I would be very very upset if it was me who this would happen to. I am pretty sure most honest people would see it this way also.

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Am I the only here that has bought a smashed GTA and fixed it? I didn't replace the body because I could use a frame machine and straighten it. If I did not have access to this machine it would have been easier to swap to another body.

I don't understand why you guys are getting all upset. He is trying to save one of our beloved GTA's and all you can do is give him a hard time. Not every car has to be a low mileage original that is never driven and never been worked on!! Cliff, I know you drive and enjoy your car! Can We stop putting down other peoples cars?
I love them all and if it was closer I would buy it. I am done ranting.


Tracy, let me start by saying that I did not feel as though I was bashing anyone; however, I made a statement that in my honest opinion that it would not be a *true GTA*. That is all. What if in the not to distant future you found out that the car you fixed is actually a 82 firebird 4 cyl? This is only hypothetically speaking, but it would make most folks upset. I know I would. It is kinda like ordering a ribeye steak for 20 bucks, and getting pot roast, in my honest opinion.
On a side note it was he who came on here bashing us in the end because we only had issues with what he said he *might* do. That is the scary part, not to mention now many clone GTA's there already are out there. hth

I hope this explains it somewhat better,ok?
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Best mph: 98.3
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Re: 1988 Trans AM GTA, L98 Hardtop

Exactly.....

If the car was just listed as one for sale, there would have been nothing wrong with that. But when the discussion turned into changing vin numbers with a different car and that the person mentioned that they have done that many times before with cars and then they got upset that we did not agree with that way of business, that was when there became an issue. I want to protect the integrity of the GTA if I can and if I see something that is not right, I will discuss it.

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Re: 1988 Trans AM GTA, L98 Hardtop

I still don't know how if you changed all tags how anybody would know that the shell had been changed. I dont think the shell is what makes a GTA a GTA. It's just my opinion.

This car that is for sale is very fixable. I would have no problem putting it on a frame machine and pulling it back into shape.
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One of the things that GM did to prevent theft, etc., was to place VIN tags on various locations of the body - rear hatch, fenders, etc. As Yumiko correctly pointed out, to swap over everything would be very expensive and cost much more that the final car would be worth.

Also, to put the car on a frame alignment machine and straighten it out would be pretty routine. At the end of the day, in my initial reply, if I was closer, I would buy the car. I think the original poster had a few other motives in mind. If you spend a few hours to swap seats, emblems, rims, VIN!!!! etc. and can make $5-6000 , why not? Except for the person who buys the car and finds out later (i.e if rear hatch not swapped, if fenders not swapped) that it is not a GTA as the VINs don't match......

There could be a lengthy discussion about how a buyer would not know, but that runs counter to the philosophy of this board, as I understand it. At the end of the day, Y84 rules for GTA authenticity.

Whose to say if it makes any difference in the long run. The Thirdgens do not have much desirability at present, but I would like to know that my GTAs are authentic and 100% and I do not buy for resale, I buy for the authenticity. A cloned GTA to me would be worth about 50% of an authentic GTA, much like a cloned TTA should be worth about 50% of an authentic TTA. Look at the price odf Shelby Cobra kits compared to the price of a real Shelby Cobra!!!!!! That is the difference.

Sorry for being so long winded, but I feel very strongly about this topic as I look to keep as close to original as possible. That goes for my GTAs as well as my 1984 T/A.
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One of the things that GM did to prevent theft, etc., was to place VIN tags on various locations of the body - rear hatch, fenders, etc. As Yumiko correctly pointed out, to swap over everything would be very expensive and cost much more that the final car would be worth.

Also, to put the car on a frame alignment machine and straighten it out would be pretty routine. At the end of the day, in my initial reply, if I was closer, I would buy the car. I think the original poster had a few other motives in mind. If you spend a few hours to swap seats, emblems, rims, VIN!!!! etc. and can make $5-6000 , why not? Except for the person who buys the car and finds out later (i.e if rear hatch not swapped, if fenders not swapped) that it is not a GTA as the VINs don't match......

There could be a lengthy discussion about how a buyer would not know, but that runs counter to the philosophy of this board, as I understand it. At the end of the day, Y84 rules for GTA authenticity.

Whose to say if it makes any difference in the long run. The Thirdgens do not have much desirability at present, but I would like to know that my GTAs are authentic and 100% and I do not buy for resale, I buy for the authenticity. A cloned GTA to me would be worth about 50% of an authentic GTA, much like a cloned TTA should be worth about 50% of an authentic TTA. Look at the price odf Shelby Cobra kits compared to the price of a real Shelby Cobra!!!!!! That is the difference.

Sorry for being so long winded, but I feel very strongly about this topic as I look to keep as close to original as possible. That goes for my GTAs as well as my 1984 T/A.
You have the right ideas. To me, I would be completely broken hearted if I bought what I thought was a real GTA and then found out that it was a....fake/cloned.

You mentioned GM. I am sure that they have the vin stamped into the body of the car in some hidden place that they can find out if it has had the vin switched.

An easy way to tell if a vin number has been cut out of a car and put in another car is to remove the dash board and then you can see where they cut out the vin from the other car and welded it to this car. Car thieves will cut out the vin number in a way where when they reattach the cut out piece, if you remove the dash board, you will be able to see the weld where they reattached it. Of course, this is hidden from view under the dash board.

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Re: 1988 Trans AM GTA, L98 Hardtop

I know GM put vin tags on fenders,rear hatches , doors, etc. I worked at an auto body repair shop for 10 years. If a car comes in and the door, hood, and fender need replacing they get replaced. We always tried to do it with factory parts but that wasn't always an option. At times you have to use aftermarket and/or used parts. If these parts are used on a GTA does that make the GTA less of a GTA because they don't have the vin on them anymore. If the shell is damaged and somebody wants to pay to fix it we would get them another shell.
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Re: 1988 Trans AM GTA, L98 Hardtop

If someone swaps parts (vin, seats, dash, fenders etc) onto another car and then knowingly sells the car as something its not (ex a low mileage, authentic GTA), that's fraud.

If someone swaps an entire shell onto a different frame and doesnt disclose this to potential buyers, that's also fraud.


That's why people here dont support what this guys is up to.
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